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BBoy_Manchild · Sep 06, 2005, 09:29 PM // 21:29

i have never seen a star trek episode, and i do like the star wars movies
so i have to go with star wars

Rahl · Sep 07, 2005, 01:58 AM // 01:58

I tend to favor SW more.. but I guess ST had some good shooters ^^

phasola · Sep 07, 2005, 08:04 PM // 20:04

another reason why SW > ST
" Use GeForce Luke " - Obi-Wan Kenobi

MSecorsky · Sep 07, 2005, 09:53 PM // 21:53

The new Battlestar Galactica beats them all.

Best show on TV.

HawkofStorms · Sep 07, 2005, 10:00 PM // 22:00

SW all the way.
Also, as for comparing best vs worse moments, one has to consider the sheer mass of ST stuff out there. Discounting books (which actually favor SW), there are hundreds more hours of ST movies and shows then there are SW. Its easy to find a few REALLY good hour long shows when you have like 20 seasons through 5 incarnations to choose from.

Manderlock · Sep 07, 2005, 10:11 PM // 22:11

Star Wars hands down, no contest IMO

BG is ok but the REAL best show on TV is Stargate SG1

Scaper-X · Sep 07, 2005, 10:55 PM // 22:55

Star Trek.

A hundred times over.
-- Scaper-X

Thanas · Sep 08, 2005, 12:19 PM // 12:19

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Originally Posted by Arturo02

I try not to compare this series with SW and ST because it would be unfair. You really gotta separate them because of the writing. J. Michael Straczynski is a very good and seasoned television series writer.

And best of all, he knows when to get out. He doesn't keep going with a franchise if he doesn't think there is a story to tell, or ruin it when there are other things he could be writing instead.

Indeed he is a great writer. I mean what a story. So much depth and intrigue. To be fair though there was the pilot for Crusade, which didn't go too well. However the plug was pulled on it and the series maintained it intergrity.

Navaros · Sep 08, 2005, 12:34 PM // 12:34

a very complicated question

if "Star Trek" includes the atrociously bad "Enterprise" (which is not Trek IMO) then definitely it's hard to compare the Trek brand to Star Wars

even if one thinks back to Voyager, that's still quite bad.

in my view even TNG is just barely better than Voyager, after all TNG was just another Berman show albeit with a few other competent staff members reining in his machinations to some degree (hence TNG not being as bad as Voyager)

if however, one looks to The Original Series of Star Trek, or Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, then these are worthy challengers to the value of Star Wars. hence when i refer to Trek for the rest of this post, i am referrring to those two shows only.

Star Wars trumps these shows in the "action" department. no question about it. the action scenes in Trek are always incredibly hokey, poorly-acted (ie: on Trek they have things like punching someone in the back, or in the jaw, in order to "knock him out cold")

however, when one looks deeper than the action exterior, for something more meaningful, then Star Trek wins that contest

Star Trek is much better at analyzing and teaching lessons about the human condition than Star Wars is. Star Trek can make you think and ponder about deep philosophical issues and open one's mind to new sorts of questions about what it means to exist in a much more complex way than Star Wars is capable to achieve

hence i say, if i want action fluff, then i'll go with Star Wars

but if i want something deep and intellectual, then i'll go with Star Trek.

more often than not, my preference is for Star Trek

QuixotesGhost · Sep 08, 2005, 12:57 PM // 12:57

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Originally Posted by Navaros

Star Trek is much better at analyzing and teaching lessons about the human condition than Star Wars is. Star Trek can make you think and ponder about deep philosophical issues and open one's mind to new sorts of questions about what it means to exist in a much more complex way than Star Wars is capable to achieve

I know that Stark Trek: The Original Series raised a lot of deep questions for me. Escpecially that one episode where Abe Licoln taught the crew of the Starship Enterprise kung fu so they could fight some klingons who were being trained by Ghengis Khan. Many a day I would retire to my study, grab my pipe and thinking cap while pondering that episode and asking myself, "WTF?!?"

Anyways, Firefly, ftw.

I laughed, I cried. It's good stuff.

zehly · Sep 08, 2005, 01:15 PM // 13:15

I watched Nemesis last night (after Dracula 2K) and I remembered just how much I love ST.

Aracos79 · Sep 08, 2005, 02:07 PM // 14:07

How could anyone possibly bash TNG? And how could you possibly compare it to the TRASH that was Voyager? Voyager basically degenerated into "Janeway's moral crisis of the week". I can understand why people have a negative view of Trek these days since the two latest series (Voyager and Enterprise) were total garbage. But for those of us who got to enjoy TNG and DS9... that was when Trek was great. Patrick Stewart and Avery Brooks were two of the best things to ever happen to the Trek franchise.

Scaper-X · Sep 08, 2005, 02:31 PM // 14:31

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Originally Posted by zehly

I watched Nemesis last night

I hadn't seen Insurrection nor Nemesis until a day or two ago. Yay, BitTorrent. While the former just seemed like a long (yet good) episode, Nemesis was Star Trek in grand form. The jokes worked, there were DS9 and Voyager references, we even got to finally see a ramming manuever.

I've been watching TNG straight as I never saw it when it was airing originally.
-- Scaper-X

Navaros · Sep 08, 2005, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Originally Posted by QuixotesGhost

I know that Stark Trek: The Original Series raised a lot of deep questions for me. Escpecially that one episode where Abe Licoln taught the crew of the Starship Enterprise kung fu so they could fight some klingons who were being trained by Ghengis Khan. Many a day I would retire to my study, grab my pipe and thinking cap while pondering that episode and asking myself, "WTF?!?"

that was a very good episode. although Abe was an illusion and Kirk & crew originally thought of him as "just an illusion", or likely even a hostile illusion who was trying to deceive them; over the course of the episode that illusion began to embody a very real Abe. he does not really exist, yet in the hearts and minds of those he interacts with, he became real. to them he does exist. this begs some very interesting questions about what it means to exist.